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Corona da principe consorte

Messaggioda robyn » giovedì 20 agosto 2015, 13:24

Salve,nel filmato sull'incoronazione della regina Elisabetta,ho notato che suo marito,dopo essersi inginocchiato al trono,quando si rialza si mette in capo una corona,mi pare ducale,non piu usata,neanche quando siede sul trono accanto alla moglie coronata.Oppure esiste una corona da principe consorte? Grazie.Cordiali saluti. [cheers.gif]
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Re: Corona da principe consorte

Messaggioda Tilius » venerdì 21 agosto 2015, 8:05

Il "coronation robe" del Duca di Edimburgo era quello da principe.
Ergo la corona (o meglio "coronet") non era quella ducale (tutta a fioroni) ma quella principesca (gigli alternati a croci patenti).
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Non un coronet speciale destinato al principe consorte, ma il medesimo riservato a ogni figlio/figlia/fratello/sorella di sovrano del Regno Unito (eccetto l'erede che ha il medesimo coronet con arco).
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In materia si legga:
Warrant of Nov 19, 1917
George RI

Trusty and well beloved we greet you well and do hereby signify unto you that whereas by royal warrant bearing date the 9th day of Feb 1661 his late majesty king Charles the second was pleased to assign certain coronets to be from henceforth borne and used by members of the royal family that is to say, by the son and heir apparent of the sovereign and his successors a coronet composed of crosses and fleurs-de-lis with one arch and in the midst a ball and cross as in the royal crown; by the immediate sons other than the heir apparent and by the brothers of the sovereign and of his successors a coronet composed of crosses and fleurs de lis only; by all the sons respectively having the title of duke of the immediate sons and of the brothers of the sovereign and his successors a coronet composed of crosses and flowers or leaves such as are used in the composure of the coronets of dukes; and whereas the said royal warrant did not determine establish or assign any coronets to be borne and used by the immediate daughters and sisters of the sovereign or by the sons not having the rank of duke or the daughters of the son and heir apparent of the sovereign or by the sons not having the rank of duke and by the daughters of the sons (other than the heir apparent) or of the brothers of the sovereign or by the sons and daughters of the daughters and of the sisters of the sovereign and no such coronets have heretofore been assigned in any general warrant though from time to time by individual royal warrants we and our royal predecessors have on occasion thought fit to assign coronets to these: We now having taken this matter into our consideration do declare our royal will and pleasure and assigned to the immediate daughters and sisters of ourselves and of our successors a coronet composed of four crosses pattee and four fleurs-de-lis and to all the sons and daughters of the son and heir apparent of us and of our successors a coronet composed of two crosses pattee four fleurs-de-lis and two strawberry leaves; and to the sons not bearing the rank of duke and to the daughters of the sons other than the heir apparent and of the brothers of us and of our predecessors and of our successors a coronet composed of four crosses pattee and four strawberry leaves; and to the sons and daughters of the daughters of us and of our predecessors and of our successors a coronet composed of four fleurs-de-lis and four strawberry leaves to be borne and used by them being subjects of these our realms, and we do further ordain and declare that the respective wives and widows of the persons entitled under this our royal warrant or under the aforesaid warrant of king Charles the Second may bear and use the coronet of their respective husbands. And we do further command and authorize you and your successors in office to set forth together with their arms upon all occasions respectively in conformity with the laws of arms the said coronets as are in the painting hereunto annexed more plainly depicted. and whereas by our royal warrant bearing date the 6th day of November 1911 we ordained and declared that a coronet in form as aforesaid composed of fleurs-de-lis and strawberry leaves should be borne and used by our most dear cousin and brother-in-law Adolphus Charles Alexander Albert Edward George Philip Louis Ladislaus now marquess of Cambridge and should constitute the coronet appertaining to the style dignity and title of Highness we do now hereby revoke in so far as the coronet is thereby assigned the said royal warrant and do command you to have due knowledge of this our revocation and we do command you to cause this our warrant to be recorded in our College of Arms whereof you are not to fail ; in which this shall be your warrant. Given at our Court of St James’s the 19th day of November 1917 in the 8th year of our reign.

By HM’s command
Edmund B Talbot
Deputy Earl Marshal
(as recorded in the College of Arms, mss series I, vol. 78, p. 65; with kind permission of the College of Arms.)


Non trattandosi il principe Filippo di un figlio si re ma di un consorte (della erede al trono, quindi sovrana),
probabilmente un warrant ad hoc é stato emesso per concedere il coronet di principe (figlio di sovrano),
il quale, é bene ribadire, é in quella forma proprio dei principi reali e non una creazione ad hoc per il "principe consorte".
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Re: Corona da principe consorte

Messaggioda Tilius » venerdì 21 agosto 2015, 12:42

Notare poi come il Warrant di cui sopra venisse talora disatteso.
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miniature crown supplied Garrards, the Royal Jewellers, worn by Princess Patricia to her uncle King Edward VII’s coronation in 1902

Versione "mista" (gigli+fioroni+croci patenti), femminile (il velluto nero anziché rosso si riferirà a ciò?)
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Patricia era nipote (figlia di un figlio) della regina Vittoria.
to the sons not bearing the rank of duke and to the daughters of the sons other than the heir apparent and of the brothers of us and of our predecessors and of our successors a coronet composed of four crosses pattee and four strawberry leaves

Trattandosi di nipote femmina (vieppiù senza rango ducale che copmunque era discriminante solo per i maschi) sarebbe stato di pertinenza il coronet 4 croci patenti + 4 fioroni.
Invece abbiamo 4 gigli alternati a 2 fioroni e 2 croci patenti, come sarebbe di pertinenza dei nipoti in linea primogenita:
to all the sons and daughters of the son and heir apparent of us and of our successors a coronet composed of two crosses pattee four fleurs-de-lis and two strawberry leaves

E' anche vero che nel 1902 il Warrant del 1917 non era ancora in essere, ergo esso é venuto proprio a sanare situazioni "non regolamentate" come il caso qui descritto.
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Re: Corona da principe consorte

Messaggioda robyn » sabato 22 agosto 2015, 14:05

Grazie Tilius. [king.gif]
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